them aside, i think that will be viewed as the pivotal moment in this election, the way that in 2008 mccain's crazed response to the financial crisis was really the pivotal moment. >> so you think this tape is t game changer? >> i do think it's the game changer. but i want to cut mitt romney a little bit of slk. hink t wlm a impossible task for the are republican nominee to please the party se and appeal to a large section of electorate in order to win. they have to move so far to the right that it was impossible run a sort of a instam cagnand, as you said, this is a verdict not just on romney but on their entire go it alone philosophy. >> now, bob, picking up on far to the right, having to do that to win the primaries, when you look at the "new york times" poll of ohio, it is not just likeability. the economy 6 points up over romney. on health care, 14 points above romney of ohio ters. national securi, 12oiup. mere 16 points up. taxes, 10 point up. immigration, 5 points up. reign policy, 13 points up. so he is outpolling him by a significant number and inos s,ouble digits on substantive issu